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[passed] Migration from using our private IRC server to using a more public oneOur official IRC channel is home of our public meetings, our outreach program, and the topic contains some of the most recent information we have available. Our current IRC server is scored with downtimes, has extremely limited userbase, and no opportunities for becoming involved in other communities on the same server in the hopes of recruiting new blood. The community we have in the irc is at the very least stagnant, and is possibly directly responsible for many users not becoming directly engaged. With more local users it is possible that we can break this cycle with an increased pace of banter as well as a greater number of people 'just popping in'.
We also have some options for the implementation of neat bot services, including USPP news feed bots trivia bots, games, and more. These kinds of things, while kitschy to some, are great for drawing a crowd that can be quickly educated in USPP policies and comings and goings; a crowd that would not be available to us on irc.pirate-party.us
Freenode is just one option we have available for a IRC server, but an extremely good one. As the official chat home of almost the entire open source movement there are lots of places for us to become involved in. Freenode is also monitored and maintained by some of the more righteous people on the net, who have an exception uptime stat as well as channel hosting and services that are reasonable and useful.
Other IRC networks can be proposed of course, and any good idea is a good idea. It might be preferable to maintain 2 irc presences in order to keep a SSL connectable server up for the most official of communications.
This is open for discussion and will be voted on at next meeting. We need to decide what room(s) we want, with what rules and functions. We also need to decide on some bot functions and goals.
Proposal:
31 days after this is voted on, the irc.pirate-party.us domain reference is to be removed from the registrar. This should happen AFTER the new room has been put into place. If there is no movement by freenode in this time, the timeline will be pushed forward 31 days.
Within 7 days of voting this the channels that are decided on are to be populated by members, bots, and chanserv infrastructure (where applicable).
Status
Still awaiting notification from freenode administration.
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Lacking Information
I've never used IRC before, but I'd like to get in on the action. I use Trillian which supports IRC but I can't find the information I need to join the chat anywhere on this website. Could someone add an IRC help somewhere on the website? You can't expect people to join if they can't figure out how. All I see in this thread is that irc.pirate-party.us is being removed. If that's the case the pamphlet and everything needs updated with the new one, whatever that is.
The information is on the
The information is on the wiki
http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/index.php?title=IRC_Channel
hope this helps
Yeah
We voted to switch back to crash's server, Andrew's link contains the proper information.
Attempt at update from freenode
<samineru> Hi, I'm looking into a Group Registration that was submitted a couple months ago? We haven't heard any word in a while.
<Tabmow> samineru: what group/channel?
<samineru> Tabmow: The channel was #USPirateParty, and we registered under info@pirate-party.us
<Tabmow> samineru: we'll have a look...
And silence...
Thanks for looking into this!
Thanks for making an update! MORE OF THIS PEOPLE!
Delayed Response
<Tabmow> samineru: it will take a while, i will send you a pm or a memo if you are not online when i receive more information.
As soon as I hear something I'll update this.
BACK to freenode?
We were originally on Freenode, they didn't want us there.
Open source software network, great. THIS ISN'T OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.
It seems you want to move to Freenode for the sake of moving. I've not heard a single argument as to what is wrong with our current host, that moving to Freenode will cure. It's not like moving a store from a backroads location to a major highway, which increases passing traffic, since there is no passing traffic on IRC. If people are interested, they'll join, regardless of location, if they're not, they won't.
And if we were REALLY to move to 'a more appropriate' server, then it would be PIRATENET that would be it, not freenode. You know the pirate party generated network that has the IRC channels of EVERY other party (except us, Germany who is on freenode because of strong CCC support, and Canada - because of the FRA thing)
A move to freenode is useless, pointless, and just confusing, and doesn't help the party, or fix any problem. It's just changing for the sake of changing, an arbitary change, which is NOT in the best interests of the party.
It's a *REALLY* good idea, to kick the IRC network admins who've supported us for years in the arse, because you want to try and grab non-existent 'passing trade'. NOT!
Question.
Germany and Sweden are two of the most influencial Pirate Partys and they use freenode, should we not follow suite?
Just for accuracies sake,
Just for accuracies sake, Sweden doesn't use freenode, and has NEVER used it in fact.
Initially, they used EFnet, and then about 2 years ago, maybe a little longer, they created their own network, Piratenet. You can access it easily enough at irc.piratpartiet.se. The Finnish and Austrian parties also run servers for it. To my knowledge there are only 4 parties that do NOt use Piratenet. Us and the Canadians use our own servers, and the Germans and Spanish use Freenode. The other 30+ parties all use piratenet, as does Pirate Parties International.
Fundraising
Swedish party is ranked as a top contributer on their fundraiser.
That's a pretty impassioned argument there
Shoulda been at the meeting, cap'n. This was a landslide too.
Well
It was actually pretty close; in my opinion the vote was bullied through
Why not...
ChatSpike? I don't know about SSL and whatnot, but it seems FreeNode is an arbitrary choice aside from its SSL capabilities (Correct me if I'm wrong !please!), it has a huge member base, highly infrequent netsplits (using it for the past 3 years, there's been less than a dozen netsplits), it's been up the whole time, has full ChanServ ListServ NickServ controls and shortcuts and complete controls over VOP, HOP, AOP, SOP and Owner statuses.
Function and Form
Freenode is not arbitrary.
I, for one, am more interested in the human communication that happens over technology than the technology itself. Freenode is the open source project chat server. Look at freenode's community and history, and not it's software, if you want to know why it's a good choice.
Re: FreeNode
First and foremost, I have sent multiple requests to FreeNode, following their process, to set up a channel for the party on their servers. The first was submitted almost 2 months ago, and the second was submitted a week or so ago. Until we hear back from them, migrating the IRC to them isn't possible, obviously, though, there are other public options, certainly.
On another note, bots can be useful if implemented properly. I like Ryan's idea of using them to deliver news, messages, current events, and for educational puposes.
Even if we do not get rid of the current structure, maintaining a presence on a more public network is a good idea. People who may not know we exist may see our room in a room list and get curious.
With this, though, comes another chance to increase the signal to noise ratio we've mentioned elsewhere. Would only members who have donated be granted voice privledges? This may be off-putting to some stumbling in the room initally, but there would be other options to contact the party, and it may even weed out those who are not serious about the politics of the party.
KISS Principle
Frankly, I can see why the current network is unfavorable. Though, the only thing that it ideally does not have over FreeNode is SSL and hostmasks. It is sprinkled with occaisional downtime, and in comparison to the four years since it's inception, it's splits and nullroutes are minimal to the almost daily netsplits of Freenode. The IRC staff is more friendly and reachable than FreeNode; they've also been able to mitigate problematic persons and bots very quickly. Freenode also lacks the ideal channel operator priviledge granting: it only have ops and voices (that's all).
It doesn't have the existing userbase that seems favorable, sure. But how hard is it to honestly attach to another network? IRC is somewhat difficult to understand for the unitiated, but has a small learning curve. What isn't already known can be learned quickly through a quick Google.
I can only see the purpose of the first and last of the rooms listed in the administration's comment. General discussion, and RSS links from the Drupal resyndicator, respectively. Everything else doesn't seem to make sense. Arguably, when we have meetings, we can create a new room for that.
IRC bots seem really, really cheesy. The only reason I can see for them to run is when they perform IRC network bridges; the Finnish party uses one to relay messages from IRCNet to PirateNet, and in our case, would post the RSS links.
If the CNAME is gonig to be removed, I suggest that it simply be changed to the FreeNode round-robin.
Channel Names
#USPirateParty
#USPirates
#Americaneers
#USPP
#USPP-news
Are these proposed names for
Are these proposed names for individual channels, each with a separate purpose, or proposals for the name of a single channel.
In the latter case, USPP and USPirateParty seem like the best contenders, being ambiguous enough to hold a generalized tone while clearly explaining the purpose of the room.
uspirateparty, ppus, or uspp
uspirateparty, ppus, or uspp would be good to match the identi.ca group